When Poop Becomes a "Drug," Docs Better Watch How They Speak to the FDA
There appears to be a little hangup in all the good news about poop helping cure intestinal infections. You see, when you discover that something, anything, acts as a cure for disease, well, that something becomes, in the parlance of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, a “drug.”
And as a drug, that something must go through a strict approval process. All kinds of testing and forms to fill out. Can take years. Except the doctors using poop to eradicate recurring infections of Clostridium difficile bacteria don’t have years. They have patients who need the treatment now.
The New York Times article reporting on the research results (which is the most emailed article at the NY Times, by the way) noted at one point:“Dr. Lawrence J. Brandt, a professor at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, said that the Food and Drug Administration had recently begun to regard stool used for transplant as a drug, and to require doctors administering it to apply for permission, something that he said could hinder treatment.”
Now, I can understand that Dr. Brandt might become impatient with the FDA and its rules. It has used those rules to require food sellers to remove information from the Internet in which they even hint that certain foods can relieve certain medical conditions and thereby improve health. So if food can be considered a drug, why not poop?
So here’s some advice for Dr. Brandt to deal with his impatience:
*Try not to lash out at the FDA. If they hold up your treatment, definitely don’t say, “You guys are full of shit!” Instead, try the soothing-voice approach, as in, “You guys are sooooo full of shit.”
*Try not to threaten the guys and gals at the FDA. Definitely don’t tell them, “You guys better move it, or the shit is going to hit the fan!” Rather, say something that might be appealing, given the new status of poop, like, “The sooner you guys approve this, the sooner we can all bathe in the shit that is going to fly around here.”
*Keep a lid on the personal accusations. You might be tempted to tell one or the other FDA operative, “You guys really have you heads up your asses.” Temper it a bit. Something more positive, like, “Hey, try sticking your head up your ass, you may find some of the meds I need.”
*Don’t question the FDA commitment to improving health. When an official talks about how the approval process “takes time,” don’t get accusatory, as in, “You guys don’t give a shit about whether people suffer.” Give him or her an incentive. “Next time you shit, think about how you could be helping people.”
You see, it doesn’t have to be adversarial. Dealing with the FDA can be smooth and easy. No shit.
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Oh my gosh, David, I've got to say this has got to be one of the most humorous article To date! Love the list of Dr. Brandt's advice that you included. Despite the humorous side of a serious medical issue, as usual, you bring home the point of how disingenuous the FDA is. I keep praying that someone will pass some sort of restraint on the FDA with regards to ancient healing practices that have been around for eons! Those practices did not need an agency to verify that they healed a person & those same practices today still does not need them. The FDA needs to butt (yes, pun intended) out of these practices!
Smooth and easy, just like a bowel movement should be. =8-o
I sure wish the shit would hurry up and hit the fan with the fda because they desperately need to be dismantled. I'll bet there isn't one live brain cell around the place. If there is, no one is using it.
I have a question: IF the drug companies/manufacturers are no longer liable for adverse reactions or the resulting damage from the reaction, why do drugs have to be controlled? I mean, it's like they can put anything - ANYTHING - into these pills and potions and yet the fda *approves* it. That simply doesn't make sense.
The answer is that (corporate) control is the goal. That's why all regulation is promulgated, and all legislation written, to maximize government discretionary power, while granting corporations every kind of special right and absolving them of all responsibility.
The idea is to place corporations above the law in principle, and give government total flexibility to enforce laws and regulations only in ways which benefit corporations and assault dissenters from corporate domination and challengers to it.
That's why drugs, for example, are "controlled" at FDA discretion - what's really to be controlled isn't drugs but any threat to the power of Big Drug. The same is true of the Food Control Act and its accompanying regime of the food police. The goal is to strangle the Community Food movement in its cradle.
I think I might have found another reason why the "control" of drugs is important to the benefit of our gubment AND to bigPHRma. They are just going to make damn sure they get us coming and going.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/tax-on-flu-vaccines-helps-fund-national-de...
Making us pay for our own slow demise, too boot. Now that's slick. Gotta hand it to those doods in WADC, they're a bunch of underrated treasures, aren't they?
Well, don't let yourself be misdirected by the "national debt" scam, which is a meaningless number.
The most interesting and disgusting, and typical, thing here is how the government taxes customers to cover the corporations' legal risks, and how those risks are transferred from the corporations to this fund. That's typical corporatism, and a good example of how the corporate state functions: Nominal government transfers power from itself to the corporations it creates, while transferring all liabilities from the corporations to itself.
The intended end result: Corporations have 100% of the power and license, zero risks or responsibilities, governments (still nominally "democratic" and "accountable") function only as propaganda disseminator, corporate welfare bagman, and thug. The people are completely dispossessed and dominated. This is how corporate totalitarianism is being constructed before our eyes.
There is no national debt, not really. Just ask Krugman who thinks we should just mint a trillion dollar coin and poof our problems are gone. Yes, the idiots are clever.
All the small agencies were designed to cover up the short-comings of the corporate world. What a great place to stash and lose money, huh. Very clever indeed.
But a tax to help us kill ourselves with unwanted, unnecessary, unproven, untested, unscientific vax?
Yes, we must understand that taxes are fiscally unnecessary, but are only for purposes of fiscal propaganda and social control. As we've seen in Texas and elsewhere, the goal is to force as many vaccines as possible upon the people. The purpose of this is corporate profit and to force people into the corporate medicine system. Tying dedicated taxes to particular vaccines is meant to generate racket alliances (now the weapons rackets have an interest in vaccination) and build legislator support for coercive legislation.
As for the "debt", if a society wants to have centralized money at all, then a government can directly issue enough money to lubricate the productive capacity of the real economy. That's what the 19th century Populist farmer movement demanded, with the greenbacker planks of its platform. Needless to say, the exact opposite has since been done, and we've seen the devastating results. (Direct money issue would of course be best for farmers and worst for banks; it's a testament to modern insanity that among farmers today one's most likely to hear them suicidally parroting Wall Street's lies about money.)
They regulate drugs such as antibiotics in order to kill microorganisms, now they want to classify and regulate shit as a drug because doctors are scurrying two use it in order to offset the effect of those same above antibiotics!?
Thanks for pointing out the lighter side of this autocratic insanity David.
Ken
I just had a great idea for a new business: Shit banks! Kinda like sperm banks but without the risk of babies... Now if there was a way that you could actually prove that your shit is the best around, you could become a "shit stud" and make a killing. Wait, that's the wrong word for earning a living, unless you are into antibiotics. And maybe you could get free asswipes for life, but strictly organic of course.
I wonder if the diet of a "shit stud" would play a large role in effectiveness, anyone know?
Once again logic, truth, ethics and integrity in medical science somehow got trumped, according to this NYT article. How can anyone rationalize that "The study was originally meant to include more patients, but it had to be cut short because the antibiotic groups were faring so poorly compared with the transplant patients that it was *considered unethical* to continue." It sure seems to me, it is a hell of a lot more unethical to stop when the results show that something actually works, no?
The truth is out there, and sometimes it just gets squashed but in this case I wonder, by whom? Wait, I just found a clue in the last paragraph: "Eventually, he said, if researchers can determine which bacteria are crucial, it should become possible to create products containing them, and to spare everyone the unpleasantness of dealing with stool specimens." Researchers need work too you know, even when not much of it is needed.
In other words, if something so simple and cheap works, we must regulate it to a stop until we can distill it and make an artificial expensive and controlled alternative that can be highly profitable and "less unpleasant."
You wouldn't want all those poor multibillion pharmaceutical corporations to go hungry now, would you?
One last thing: The FDA should not be allowed to get a stool at this table, or eventually maybe we'll end up getting arrested for pooping outside their jurisdiction.
[quote from Ora's post above]: "In other words, if something so simple and cheap works, we must regulate it to a stop until we can distill it and make an artificial expensive and controlled alternative that can be highly profitable and "less unpleasant." "[end of quote]
There already is a "less unpleasant" version. It's called a probiotic, and although it will take longer to do the job, it will work, no matter which end it goes into. After all, all poop has different microorganisms depending on the source of the poop so there are no guarantees even if *testing* is done. I prefer to use foods such as kefir or yogurt or homemade sauerkraut or pickles or horseradish - any combination of those and many, many other fermented, probiotic rich foods. Of course, no doctor is going to recommend those simple solutions when he can recommend surgery and drugs. That's a given. Then, too, doctors are forced by insurance companies to cut costs by prescribing a “one-size-fits-all” treatment whenever possible. Many of the symptoms of C. difficile are identical to the side effects of the antibiotic drugs. And GP's can be inexperienced with C. diff diagnosis and treatment. Misdiagnosis is common. Because most antibiotics can make C. diff worse, you need to be very careful about the use of antibiotics if you have a C. diff. infection.
Most doctors don’t know the first thing about natural medicine because they are never taught about it in medical school. In fact, most of them will discourage the use of natural medicine, even though they know nothing about it. The sad thing is, they don't want to know be
[quote from Ora's post above]: "In other words, if something so simple and cheap works, we must regulate it to a stop until we can distill it and make an artificial expensive and controlled alternative that can be highly profitable and "less unpleasant." "[end of quote]
There already is a "less unpleasant" version. It's called a probiotic, and although it will take longer to do the job, it will work, no matter which end it goes into. After all, all poop has different microorganisms depending on the source of the poop so there are no guarantees even if *testing* is done. I prefer to use foods such as kefir or yogurt or homemade sauerkraut or pickles or horseradish - any combination of those and many, many other fermented, probiotic rich foods. Of course, no doctor is going to recommend those simple solutions when he can recommend surgery and drugs. That's a given. Then, too, doctors are forced by insurance companies to cut costs by prescribing a “one-size-fits-all” treatment whenever possible. Many of the symptoms of C. difficile are identical to the side effects of the antibiotic drugs. And GP's can be inexperienced with C. diff diagnosis and treatment. Misdiagnosis is common. Because most antibiotics can make C. diff worse, you need to be very careful about the use of antibiotics if you have a C. diff. infection.
Most doctors don’t know the first thing about natural medicine because they are never taught about it in medical school. In fact, most of them will discourage the use of natural medicine, even though they know nothing about it. The sad thing is, they don't want to know be
Ratz . . . I hit the "post" button by accident. Doctors don't want to know much about natural medicines because it's a whole 'nother field they'd have to study. In a way, I can see their point, but then again they should want to know what works, right?
Simplicity, add a bit of class--be open---polite-- inviting----perhaps;
"Mi caca su caca."
David.
Ora, will the shit banks be organic?
David, great post!
Good article, David, but some of it sounds as if it were taken from Dr. Vonderplanitz humorous comments at his Workshops. Is it original from your mind or was it inspired by Aajonus' comments?
Now that eating stools is accepted and proved to be effective in reversing serious intestinal diseases, Aajonus Vonderplanitz' saying for the last 15 years of "Eat shit and live" has also been proved to be academically true.
I have been silent for so long while reading the comments on David's wonderful site. For 2 years, I read Mark McAfee and others' criticisms of Dr. Vonderplanitz' view on how consumption of fecal matter instantly turns intestinal ills into health. Now all of you ridiculers and small-brainers can eat poop and be merry.
This is how Aajonus stated it at one of his Workshops I attended many years ago: The bacteria in other probiotics is not the same bacteria as that in human intestines. If the human intestinal bacteria is missing, the bacteria in kefir and yogurt cannot add human bacteria to human intestine. Once the human digestive bacteria is added to the intestines, the person will have the proper intestinal bacteria to digested those probiotic substances like kefir and yogurt. As the newly added human intestinal bacteria consumes those other probiotics, the human intestinal bacteria are nourished, multiply and thrive.
Wm Bowers Esq.
I have been to one of Aajonus' presentations, in California, but he didn't speak about poop at that particular session. So, no, I hadn't been aware of the details of his view (though knowing his overall philosophy, what you and others have said on Facebook about him, it definitely makes sense). A number of other people have commented here over the years about the potential benefits of human fecal matter. I suspect all of it had registered with me, to make this particular post more natural to write than I might have expected. Thanks much for your insights.
http://www.kgh.on.ca/en/newsroom/Pages/Synthetic-stool-proven-to-cure-C....
A whole new meaning to man-made.
I am critical of Aajonus's cult like style. Critical of medical advice being retrieved by speaking to animals. Critical of his weird concepts of sex. I am not critical of his basic nutritional concept which advocates a whole and unprocessed diet. Just this last week, one of his patients contacted OPDC saying that Aajonus claims that OPDC raw milk.....is not really raw....because OPDC freezes all of our raw milk. This is twisted and a blatant and outrageous lie... That is why I am critical of Aajonus. He could be a revered and respected healer.....instead he is a confusing self appointed cult quack. In 2003 OPDC fulfilled special requests from Aajonus for containers of fresh manure to be consumed on his food. He explained that he needed this as a powerful medicine. I had no problem with this....it is the additional garbage that I challenge.
I hope that the FDA sticks its nose into the wild and unknown samples of diverse probiotic human fecal matter. It will drive them crazy. All science at the FDA is based on strict "standards of identity". Human fecal samples lay far outside of any definable known standards. They are each special and different....
If the FDA ventures into this realm....raw milk acknowledgement as a medical food is close at hand. The FDA criticism that raw milk contains some fecal type bacteria would then be less villianized. In fact that could be the very basis of some of its medical value.
Add to all of this the pending primate studies being performed at certain CA Universities showing how raw milk cures Crohns.....and the FDA will be in a shake up. Its bias will be clearly exposed. The NIH will follow close behind by connecting the dots and it will be a brave new world. Evolution takes time and it takes persistence. The truth is the truth.
I agree with your assessment of Vonderplanitz, Mark. I've been doing some checking and although, as you say, some of his nutritional information is ok, the rest of his stuff seems almost quacky and cultish and would sound especially so to newbies and *agency nerds* who relish the idea of knowing nothing about health or nutrition, and yet are the ones making those decisions. Say what he will, I don't think the idea of putting pure poop on our food is going to appeal to the masses. Too much ick factor. Especially since we have choices of other probiotics. Perfect? Maybe not, but foods as probiotics are about as close as most of us are going to get. As long as they are quality in nature and not store-bought-full-of-sugar yogurts or heated/cooked sauerkraut and such, most folks will stick with these.
Raw milk needs to be classified as a "medical" food, but it's probably not "close at hand". Whenever people with mindsets like those who read here and are fans of raw milk are certain that the truth will soon become widely known, we are disappointed when the fda drops the ball, and they always do. Positive, truthful science and testing and whatever else they think is important, suddenly becomes unimportant when it involves real foods. And they understand poop (as compost) even less, it would seem. But I agree that fecal matter in raw milk is not the gargantuan issue it's made out to be, even though that seems to be where the focus lies with some folks. If that were the truth and the whole truth, generations of people would not have lived to homestead in the 1800's because they had very unsanitary conditions and would all have died if a little poop in their milk or on their veggies was such a terrible thing. Ick factor, yes, villian it's made out to be, no.
"I am critical of ... medical advice being retrieved by speaking to animals..." Mark
Here's a passage from Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, written by dentist Weston Price, about his visit with the "primitive" Aborigines in Australia in the 1930s:
"The wonderful wisdom of these primitive people was attested by the principal of the public school at Palm Island. A mother died and her nursing infant was taken care of by its maternal grandmother, who had not recently given birth to a child. She proceeded to carry out the primitive formula for providing breast food by artificial means. Her method was to make an ointment of the fresh bodies of an insect which made its nest in the leaves of a certain tree. This she rubbed on her breast and in a short time produced milk liberally for this foster child ... The people who vouched for this circumstance declared that they had seen the entire procedure and knew the facts to be as stated. They further stated that this was common knowledge among the Aborigines." pp183-184
Anyone who perseveres can learn about "primitive" people and sooner or later you will realize that it is "modern" people that are the quacks, not the other way around. Primitive people routinely communicate with animals and plants. I could recommend some excellent books and tell about first hand experiences, but I doubt anyone in this forum is listening. The reason "mainstream" people think of so many things as fringe, is because mainstream is soooooo far from reality, and because your minds are being tampered with and you do not see it.
@ tommculhane: I do not see the connection between "talking to animals" and the example you gave. She made a paste out of an insect - how is that talking to animals?
Native Americans used animals and animal spirits as a big part of their life, but today most people look on it as voo-doo because they don't understand it. I think it's fascinating and am trying to learn all I can about the Indian ways, from foods to "medical" treatments, to cultural traditions, etc. I try to be open minded and I abhor the current "systems" in america. We are doing everything backwards.
I am interested in what you say, TommCulhane. I'm interested, also, in the GPS of where you reside ... I'll bet the reality you prefer is ; within an urban centre in America ... not, outback in Alice Springs ; You'll notice that those Abos. prefer to hang around the govt. trading post, and participate in the white man's version of 'reality', rather than dwell in the "Dream-time" of their ancestors
"I don't see the connection between "talking with animals" and the example you gave..."
The connection: I gave an example from a book people in this forum can relate to, showing that "primitive" people are not the bumbling superstitious idiots that you have been led to believe. How many people in this forum would know how to do that, if a mother died and left behind a baby? Most "modern" women don't even have the sense to nurse their own babies. I drank God knows what kind of weird formula as a baby. I didn't get the basic immunizations that mother's milk passes on, and who knows what else. How many childhood allergies and other weird problems have to do with withholding mother's milk from an infant. I'm not blaming my mother, she is just a product of the establishment brainwashing system.
The point is, it's modern people that are the morons, because their minds are tampered with from cradle to grave. And they are tampering with your minds in ways unseen to you, and to understand, you have to look into the subject of hypnosis. But I won't go into that now.
Continuing with the connection: so, once you understand these people have scientific knowledge you and your professors don't, as you continue to look into this, you will find that the Aborigines, along with peoples around the world, do communicate with plants and animals, and they will tell you so, and if you have some humility you can have first hand experiences with them... (If you couldn't communicate with animals mind to mind, how do people ride horses? How would the horse know where you want to go? How do dogs do tricks? ...) Telepathy is one of the most basic ways to communicate, but the establishment has hypnotized you, using energy, so you don't see this, so you ignore even your own first hand experiences... The estab uses scam "skeptical" groups that pretend to investigate "fringe" areas, but never ever ever find anything. Any sincere person that investigates things like telepathy will eventually find the truth, yes it exists, yes it has been proven scientifically, time and again. But people keep falling for "skeptical" groups lies. Why? Again, because they are using a type of hypnotic energy on people to make them stupid.
20 years ago I read an amazing book by Doug Boyd, about a medicine man. Communicating with and respecting all life was a key part of it. At the time I had this big cockroach problem in my apt on miami beach. They would wake me up crawling on me... they were everywhere. So I talked to them. I told them they aint payin any rent, this is my home, ... I asked them to leave. During the next year I lived in that apartment, I never saw another roach. I really don't care who believes me. People learn when they are ready to learn...
Gordon, I've said it before, I do think you are sort of a comic genius. I'm not always sure how to take you. The Abos do prefer to hang out at the trading post, at least the ones you know, but if someone wiped out your whole society, where would you hang out?
Re my GPS, actually I live on five acres 45 miles from Gainesville, FL. In a little tent city I made. Long story but I tried to form a community and no one was interested, so it's a one man band thing. I've been trying to sell the land ... and get 5 new acres, where I can have goats (my neighbors have vicious dogs and some are crackheads and ex cons... and I won't even go into their bad qualities...)
Hey Gordo, I seem to recall you posting something when looking thru old posts, about the govt being busted for deliberately spraying ecoli and other things into the atmosphere... sounds like "chemtrails" or something. Freedom of information documents revealed this. If you know anything about them using this to create "campylobacter" outbreaks, etc., let me know...
I don't study ethnobotany under a "professor". My husband and I study and learn from the local elders here in our area. We learn all kinds of things from them, however, and have been invited to several of their custom rituals, and there is a public pow-wow every year, both here and in a neighboring state, and we usually attend if possible. Very interesting, although this is reservation Indians, not Aborigines, sorry. I don't live near any of those guys.
And my horse knows where to go because he follows my foot and hand commands. That is not to say I don't have an understanding with my horse, but I don't think there's any telepathy involved. Animals are smart of their own accord.
The word "you", "professors", ... in my post here referred to modern people in general, not any particular person.
3 books by Doug Boyd about healers, that I would definitely recommend:
Rolling Thunder
Mad Bear
Mystics Magicians and Medicine People
I never encountered anything in print close to the info in these books. You have to reread them, each time it's like a new book...
I once visited Rolling Thunder's son, Mala, who has a small community in Oregon, for healers of any persuasion to share knowledge. I told Mala about a vision dream I had had (the things in it had all come true over the next three years), and the dream had involved his father. In the dream, Rolling Thunder "walked away" from medicine. It seemed strange to me, because in the book medicine was his life. Mala said, "Yeah, he gave up on everything."
Apparently when RT got older, he kind of fell apart. People around him were confused by it. My dream showed me the reason: he had succumbed to a spiritual attack.
Anyway, he was a hero, as was his friend, Mad Bear. Mala said, "They made a lot of people angry", because they revealed so much info to seekers, of any race. Those books were priceless for me.
I'm not advocating hero worship though. The big flaw I saw in them, they didn't have the matrilineal family piece of the puzzle. Ie RT lived in a nuclear family, and Mad Bear didn't appear to be getting any at all. I once emailed Mala about the matrilineal free love family idea, saying it was once the norm. It didn't seem to go over real well, the idea of a white guy telling an Indian what is traditional. Lol. Oh well, at least I put the info into the circle, for anyone that's ready for it. (I've posted some info on this very politically incorrect idea, the matrilineal family, in this forum)
There are tons of example in those books, of communicating with plants and animals...
Perhaps, rather than put a pathogen warning on raw milk and dairy products, there should be a proud label, stated front and center by raw milk advocates: "This product contains FECES from animal and/or human origin." Eat on. Therein let the consumer decided. Honest labeling.
May be more of the dead kind of FECES in pasteurized milk.
There's far more feces (and pus) in pasteurized pseudo-milk than in real milk. That's why pasteurization was institutionalized in the first place, so that confinement dairies could function in as filthy a way as possible. So I agree, let's put a label to that effect on all industrial dairy products.
Curr Microbiol. 2012 May;64(5):486-91. doi: 10.1007/s00284-012-0098-3. Epub 2012 Feb 24.
Effects of Roundup(®) and glyphosate on three food microorganisms: Geotrichum candidum, Lactococcus lactis subsp. cremoris and Lactobacillus delbrueckii subsp. bulgaricus.
Clair E, Linn L, Travert C, Amiel C, Séralini GE, Panoff JM.
Source
OERECA Laboratory, EA2608, IFR 146 ICORE, Institute of Biology, Université de Caen Basse-Normandie, Esplanade de la Paix, 14032 Caen Cedex, France.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22362186
Interesting: "Moreover, these results should be considered in the understanding of the loss of microbiodiversity and microbial concentration observed in raw milk for many years."
Another example of how industrial ag systematically destroys beneficial microbes at the same time that it maximizes the habitat for potentially malign ones. It's amazing how everything corporate ag does is purely harmful to every natural and healthful aspect of things. It's clear-cut: Good vs. Evil.
Let me apologize to all of the good people of the world that have gained intellegence by speaking with Coyotes and rabits just like Aajunus. There is room for all of us.....I just have a hard time with listening to Coyotes and rabits.
I guess I do not have the cultish skills required to hear what they say. When I hear coyotes yiping at night and trying to eat my calves...I shoot the bastards with a .223
Sorry to all the evolved souls. I love my calves.
Mark
Mark,
We have plenty of coyotes where I live.They don't ever bother the calves. Maybe because when they are small the calves stay with their mothers and the cows all have their horns.Coyotes are smart enough to stay a safe distance from a mother cow with horns.We also have plenty of wildlife like rabbits and turkeys that the coyotes can hunt. We love our calves and our coyotes.They are all part of the diversity here that makes the place healthy and sustainable.
miguel
There are plenty of coyotes and a healthy population of wolves where I live just north of Algonquin Park. They will usually keep a wide berth between themselves and a herd of cows, heaven forbid if a herd of cows should happen to surround one of these predators. A lone cow on the other hand, that segregates herself from the herd to have its calf is vulnerable and a pack of hungry coyotes in particular, who are not as shy as wolves, will take advantage of this in order to disorientate the cow and snatch the calf. For the most part however these predators pose little threat to cattle unless there is a shortage of mice and wild game. An unprotected flock of sheep or turkeys on the other hand is a different story. Coyotes have been known to tear through the chicken wire in order to get into the coop and once in they can quickly make short work of your turkeys.
I have never had to shoot a wolf.
Ken
Coyotes ( dumpster divers ) are part of our ecosystem as well. Our neighbors have CAFO chicken systems and the dead chickens thrown into their dumpsters are their food. Fresh placentas and pasture gophers make a well balanced diet.
I must admit...I have not been able to hit a coyote in years. I scare them off with a super high powered light. When my 4 million candle power system hits them...they are gone. We do find pieces of dead calves that are not well protected when they stay with their moms out in the pastures.
All part of nature.
Don't the farm dogs keep the coyotes away? I have a friend with a couple of Great Pyrenees' that she says keeps the critters away. Beautiful dogs, but they tend to bark at night.
Sir Robert McCarrison was a physician and nutritionist who studied peoples, particularly of India, about the same time Weston Price traveled the world. McCarrison is considered one of the founders of the modern organic farming movement. His research fits very well with Price's.
Raw Milk MIke posted somewhere here recently about how modern wheat is radically different than what wheat used to be... and so I talked with the mgr of the health food store near here, he's a real wealth of info, he says basically the same thing about wheat. I had asked in this forum if anyone knows where to get the old school wheat seeds, that grow the four foot plus high ancient wheat. Anyway, here's a quote from McCarrison regarding the diet, in the early 1900s, of the healthiest peoples in India, and among the healthiest in the world, he says:
"In general the races of northern India are wheat-eaters, though they make use also of certain other whole cereal grains. Now the biological value of the proteins of whole wheat is relatively high; and the wheat is eaten whole, after being freshly ground into a coarse flour (atta) and made into cakes called chapattis. It thus preserves all the nutrients with which Nature has endowed it, particularly its proteins, its vitamins and its mineral salts. The second most important ingredient of their diet is milk, and the products of milk (clarified butter or ghee, curds, buttermilk); the third is dhal (pulse); the fourth, vegetables and fruit. Some eat meat sparingly, if at all; others, such as the Pathans, use it in considerable quantity. Their food thus contains -- when they can get the food they want, which they do not always do -- all elements and complexes needed for normal nutrition (with the possible exception of iodine in some Himalayan regions) and abundance of those things that matter from the point of view of the structural and functional efficiency of the body. In conformity with the constitution of their dietaries they are the finest races of India, so far as physique is concerned, and amongst the finest races of mankind."
Note they used raw dairy. Some were big meat eaters, some weren't. (with all the cranks today giving out diet advice, there's no substitute for real world evidence.)
whaaaat? ! talking about 'race' on this forum?!! See the explanation at the URL ( below) of who the Pathans were, and still are. Caucasians ... as distinguished from the "negroid" peoples to the south of them - [ their word, not mine ] who claim direct descent from the first king of ancient Israel, namely = Saul. And they can prove it.
They do well on REAL MILK because their DNA includes the trait for producing the enzymes to digest milk, into adulthood. My point being = the engine of the movement to nutrient-dense food / raw milk in particular, is : white people awakening to our heritage, then separating ourselves from the Babylonian system. For the sake of the thousands of people, per day, who are coming to realize we've been betrayed right down to the very most basic aspect of life = food = I'm going to keep on saying it, regardless how politically-incorrect it is. Come out of her my people!
http://www.hindukushtrails.com/tribes/pathans.asp
I've heard "lactose intolerance" disappears when people switch to real milk. I've only recently been able to get raw milk, and in the first month of drinking it, I lost ten pounds of flab, and it's stayed off. Doing nothing differently than switching from organic pasteurized dead milk, to real milk. On this point alone you know the estab is lying saying there's no difference.
I know moving wild plants from one part of the world is a dangerous proposition (look into the sad story of the American Chestnut tree, used to be the king of the forest, 4 billion wiped out by a blight when people moved Asian Chestnut trees here...). It makes me nervous, these "permaculture" people, bringing in all kinds of exotic plants with no regard for the consequences.
But, as far as the foods of the gods, the foods that are good to eat, ... I believe these are set up to be moved around. Point being: I sure hope I don't need a special gene to continue eating Mayan food of the gods aka chocolate, with my real milk and honey.
I may have some leads re the wheat riddle: the riddle being, how can this ancient superfood be causing people problems today (see my above post re McCarrison). So I posted in seedsavers.org, "question about ancient wheat", to see if people had ideas. An interesting reply came in today, talking about how french bakers were unable to make french bread as it used to be made, with modern wheat, so they found some ancient wheat seeds and grew this and this bread apparently does not cause problems for people with wheat intolerance. I think this is the link: http://forums.seedsavers.org/forumdisplay.php?f=24&order=desc , or look in the vegetables fruit forum.
The wheat riddle has sequed into the theme of David's article here. It occured to me people could be having problems digesting wheat today due to antibiotic use, killing off microbiota in the intestines. I quickly found articles saying this and linked one at seedsavers, with comments in that article agreeing.
Yeah, antibiotics sound like a real disaster. As far as new and perhaps expensive treatments involving implants go, to restore microorganisms to the digestive tract, just want to point out, if it's not too risque, that animals and sexually adventurous types have always used a different method, licking all the orifices of bodies. "Health class" tells you to hide from microorganisms, others say diversity actually protects you. (could there be a design to Nature?)
Not everyone who is "lactose intolerance" is able to consume raw dairy without ill effects. I wonder if the wheat issues are also contributed from the different ways of processing done today than say, 100 years ago, also the wheat itself is changed.
As said, I believe it is a multitude of assaults on the body that interferes with healthy body processes.
These things are discussed/debated in the links I've posted, and above. I think it's safe to say though, that "lactose intolerance" is a cover story they came up with to explain away some of the harmful effects of pasteurization.
Several years back, at my parents house, my dad goes, "there's a bird outside sitting there on the ground, sick, I wonder if it could be that west nile virus?"
West Nile Virus? Wtf is that? So I asked him if he had had his Chemlawn people spray the yard recently. He goes, "oh yeah, they were just here."
The bird probably ate a bunch of poisoned bugs, plants. God I feel sorry for people who watch tv and listen to establishment science.
@ tomm: You're right on the money with your idea about lactose intolerance and pasteurization. It's a good bet they're connected. I've been under the same assumption for more than 20 years, which is why we try not to use pasteurized dairy foods at all, if we can possibly avoid them. Now that pasteurization has encompassed so many foods, we're going to see more and more of all kinds of digestion issues, from the esophagus to the colon. But don't wait around for modern medicine to "help" you, nor for the food industry to change their ways. We have to make our own changes. We can do that by educating people about real foods and the value of eating good foods, which in turn helps to support local small farmers. That's just a small cross-section of the big picture, but you can see how one thing leads to another. That's how change starts!
Tomm
Yes I agree, antibiotics are a disaster for they disrupt body chemistry in numerous ways. They are not metabolized as readily and without consequence as the medical profession would have us believe. Their effect on the kidneys is also underestimated.
Blaming natural whole foods such as raw milk, wheat peanuts, shellfish, etc. is an easy way out for the medical profession and is a good way for them to avoid taking responsibility for the harm that they do with their drugs and vaccines.
And as Silvia pointed out, it is a multitude of assaults. There are a great many invasive assaults that our bodies have to contend with from potential chromosomal aberration in unborn children due to exposure to ultrasound (a d stage in their development when they are most vulnerable to such changes), to the genetic, chemical and mechanical adulteration of our food.
http://www.naturalnews.com/028853_ultrasound_fetus.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1525860/Keepsake-ultrasounds-may-harm-un...
Ken
"Blaming whole foods such as raw milk, wheat, peanuts, shellfish, etc is an easy way out for the medical profession... for the harm that they do with their drugs and vaccines. And as Sylvia pointed out, it is a multitude of assaults."
Yeah, right on Ken. If you scroll up here, to my 1/22/13 post that begins, "Sir Robert McCarrison was a physician...", my following comments here were based on that post about ancient wheat btw.
The establishment loves to blame natural foods for the problems the establishment creates, the old divert your attention with one hand, and pull off the trick with the other. My whole life I've been hearing how eggs are bad for you, and animal fats like butter, lard, ... Common sense told me this couldn't be true. Anyone who has chickens is going to be eating eggs every day... When they train doctors etc., they always leave out the real world evidence, such as I've cited here with McCarrison and Price, because it shows the estab is lying. Following my own research and guidance, I've been shown that the main cause of modern heart disease is hydrogenated oils. These artifically hardened oils artifically harden your arteries. They try to work them into everything they can.
I've always heard heart disease is much less common in France, and people try to come up with an explanation, and say it's because of drinking wine or whatever... I found numbers saying they have one fifth the heart disease rate of the US. Anyway I knew it had to do with hydrogenated oils, but couldn't find anything clear looking on the internet, then finally I found an aricle asking why french donuts taste so much better than american... people wrote in in comments, french people and americans, and finally it came out the reason, because they don't use hydrogenated oils in France, they use animal fats (maybe it's changing recently though, don't know).
Btw for those of you that beleive we can recieve messages to help us, I was wondering what plants could be used to heal damaged arteries, and what came to me in a very clear way: hot peppers. So keep it in mind.
Here in the mid-Atlantic mountains there are occasional roving bands of coyotes, along with more ubiquitous smaller predators like bobcats and fox.
One season we lost almost our entire flock of chickens over a short two weeks to a couple of bobcats, then lost our replacement flock. At that point I moved the chicken house down to the cow pasture, and have not lost a single chicken since. Often the chickens follow the cows as they graze, picking up jostled bugs while enjoying the protective services. Just yesterday I watched a large fox ambling through the pasture just 20 yards from a group of chickens who were standing in the snow with our cows---no sane fox would go near them. Similarly, it’s not uncommon to see chickens scurrying to our cows’ free-stall when a hawk is spotted.
Farming and fences are neither fully natural nor anathema to nature. As always, working with is easier and better than fighting with.
Learning to work with Nature can be a challenge when various information/instructions are tossed at you. It can be overwhelming. There's so much to learn.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/22/pay-attention-adhd-diagn...
Just as Autism has grossly increased, so has ADHD... oh I see, the drug companies make big $$$ with Ritalin and other drugs.
http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/GeneralPrimaryCare/36951
Poison is poison no matter what form it comes in.
http://gma.yahoo.com/exclusive-group-finds-more-fake-food-ingredients-09...
"Milk, honey, coffee and syrup are also listed by the USP as being highly adulterated products. "
And the lies continue...
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/moo-man-premieres-sundance-celebrating-heal...
2nd video accuses raw milk causing GBS, wonder if he had a flu shot?
http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/nm/insight-evidence-grows-for-narcolepsy-...