CA Herdshare Issue May Get Quicker Legal Appraisal Than Expected in Upcoming Rawesome Hearing
For months, tedious negotiations have dragged on between the California Department of Food and Agriculture (CDFA) and a group of dairy farmers over the protocol for herdshares in the state.
Some hundreds of tiny California dairies offer herdshare arrangements, enabling small groups of consumers to gain ownership of cows and goats in exchange for regular supplies of raw milk. Only two dairies, Organic Pastures Dairy Co. and Claravale Farm, are licensed by the state to sell raw milk via retail and other public markets.
A working group of farmers and CDFA representatives was formed more than a year ago, after the CDFA and local prosecutors began issuing cease-and-desist orders to several small dairies with herdshares, and one of the dairies filed suit against the state. The state argued that the herdshares were subject to regulation by the CDFA, while the farmers argued that the herdshares were private arrangements between consumers and farmers, outside the scope of state regulation. Adding credence to the farmers' argument, herdshares apparently aren't even mentioned in California laws and regulations, which would seem to leave them in the private sphere.
I was initially skeptical of the negotiation effort, but the simple fact that it has continued and the parties are still positively inclined seems a sign of progress The working group has been negotiating over possible parameters whereby the herdshares might carry out some sort of milk and animal testing, but otherwise be free of the sort of expensive facilities requirements and extensive regular testing and oversight for registered raw dairies like OPDC and Claravale. There has been talk of introducing legislation covering herdshares backed by the working group in the upcoming legislative session.
Now it turns out the entire herdshare issue could get a judicial review sometime over the next week, when a pretrial hearing is held in Los Angeles in connection with the Rawesome Food Club case. While many people have focused on internal disputes about outsourcing, the main charges in the original case grow out of a herdshare arrangement Rawesome and its operator, James Stewart, had with Sharon Palmer, operator of a Ventura County farm. Palmer's Healthy Family Farms provided raw goat milk to Rawesome until a little over two years ago.
The June 30, 2010, multi-agency raid on Rawesome also included a raid by state and local officials on Palmer's Ventura County farm in connection with her raw milk activities. Within a couple months of that raid, she ended the herdshare arrangement because she felt the state was intent on harassing her out of the raw dairy business, and she concentrated on sales of eggs and chickens.
But as part of the pretrial hearing, scheduled to begin tomorrow, Palmer's lawyer has subpoenaed Richard Estes, the CDFA's chief counsel, to quiz him about statements attributed to him that California has no law applying to herdshare arrangements. It's not clear Estes will obey the subpoena, but the matter will become an issue in the hearing, and the judge could throw out some or all of the charges against Palmer, Stewart, and Victoria Bloch (a third defendant) if he decides that herdshares are, indeed, outside the state's purview. At the end of the hearing, the judge will be deciding on whether there is enough evidence in the case to send it to trial.
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If Richard Estes is put on the stand and he says half of what he said at the Small Herd Working Group meeting on the first day that we met....The Judge will throw out the charges as related to operating a herd share...especially if there is documented ownership of the animals by others that are boarding their animals with a farmer.
Progress is being made and I really believe that CDFA (with all of their faults)....has made massive change and is quickly becoming an ally of not only Small Herds and also a friend of responsible production of raw milk. I have witnessed an evolution in the last 12 years. In the last three years a massive change has occurred. This change was hard earned and leaves some wounds in some of the warriors....but none the less, this is great and good change.
Mark
Mark, you've written about how your fellow milk producers' problems in California. They, too, are suing.
http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2012/09/04/2516078/dairy-farm-advocates-fil...
Dairy farm advocates file lawsuit over low milk prices
Agency violated law on pay, they claim
By JOSHUA EMERSON SMITH - jsmith@mercedsunstar.com
Dairy farm advocacy groups recently filed a lawsuit against the California Department of Food and Agriculture, claiming the state's milk pricing formula improperly undercompensates milk producers.
The legal action is based on the premise that the CDFA violated its legal requirement to calculate milk prices in "reasonable and sound economic relationship" to comparable prices around the country, said Lynne McBride, California Dairy Campaign executive director.
"California dairy producers continue to be paid significantly less than those in surrounding states," she said. "We strongly feel the department needs to remedy this situation."..............
Shameful and possibly a low point in consumer information in California:
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151196378451181&id=17...
Kaleigh Marie Lutz is Mark McAfee's daughter and is employed as the OPDC marketer.
In response to the current OPDC recall for campy, Kaleigh posts as if she's a regular customer:
"I will be enjoying my sept 13th code date of whole milk;) thanks for the caution, but I will be enjoying it instead! Cheers;) thanks for the full transparency;)"
Thanks for the full transparency, Kaleigh!!! ;)
@ Amanda Rose: I could be missing the boat here, but I think that barb of Kaleigh's was most likely aimed at you, sweetie. Aren't you the one who was bitching about full transparency? Well, you got it and she toldja so.
Sounds familiar - ignoring recall and test results for profit.
Daughter of Peanut Corp. founder speaks about salmonella case
http://bit.ly/P3c37V
I am sure she'd be happy to agree with you that her behavior is my fault.
You did miss the boat, D Smith. It was not a barb at me. I don't participate on the OPDC FB page. It was Kaleigh acting like a customer of OPDC when in fact she and her husband are employed by the dairy, Kaleigh as the dairy's marketer.
@ Amanda Rose: You honestly think she doesn't know you read at FB? And do you honestly think that wasn't aimed at you because of all the hoo-rah you made about transparency in the past? What world do you live in? I don't belong to FB either, so I don't/didn't know who she was until you said it, but nevertheless I do believe that was aimed directly at you. How do you feel she was acting like a customer? She drinks the milk, she said so. In that regard she IS a customer/consumer.
You are so right, D. So what that she's Mark's daughter, so what that she works at Organic Pastures?! She is still a customer/consumer. I have no problem with her posting what she did. Shows that she has great confidence in the product, too. A person markets a product that they have great confidence in & believes in. I, too, posted on OP's website stating that my Whole Raw Milk dated for the 13th was consumed by all of us without any problems or ill-effects.
Ladies,
Read Kaleigh's words carefully: "thanks for the caution, but I will be enjoying it instead!"
Thanks to who? Herself? She is in charge of the FB page.
She'll be enjoying the milk instead of heeding her own caution?
It appears to me that she's the first to post on that thread and hoping to set the tone for responses and it appears she was successful. As it is, she and her husband's income is directly tied to people not returning that milk for a refund. God forbid someone follows her lead and ends up with a campy infection and reactive arthritis. Marler would have a field day.
By the way, I'm not the only one who has asked for OPDC transparency. OPDC got kicked out of the only decent farmer's market in Fresno over these issues. Maybe her wink is to that market manager.
If Kaleigh's comment is directed at me or the market manager, are we to assume that her "transparency" is a joke or a barb? Are the customers reading it on Facebook aware of the joke? Which would be more pathetic -- a joke or gross lack of disclosure? I'm not really sure. It looks pathetic from each angle, as does any justification of the behavior.
Amanda
"She drinks the milk, she said so. In that regard she IS a customer/consumer."
Good for Kaleigh that she's a customer of the product that pays her a full-time wage to be its marketer. I haven't argued here that she is not a consumer of the milk, just that the lack of disclosure is uncool.
@ Amanda Rose: I'm sure she was being somewhat facetious because she knows the product, she's not afraid of the product and even though they have to inform the public of such things, it doesn't bother her to the point where she isn't going to consume the product. That's not irresponsible that's her opinion. People will make up their own minds about whether or not to consume it. As I read through the rest of those posts there in that link you provided, it sounds to me as though most folks had already consumed the product (and were physically fine) before they even KNEW about a possible issue.
If she posted on FB that there was a recall, in a timely fashion as it appears, why is that lack of disclosure just because she didn't start out with "I'm Mark McAfee's daughter"??? Jeepers, I guess she'll have to start all of her OPDC posts with that sentence from now on in order to satisfy you and your ilk. Someone should let her know that, I guess.
I would guess most people who visit that page know who she is, even though I didn't know because I don't spend time on FB (not even a member, sorry) and I don't spend time at the OPDC site either. I simply don't have that kind of time, nor do I care because I don't live in CA so therefore I don't consume OP products. One thing you can probably start a ruckus about, however, and be my guest if you don't believe in coincidence, is that I have a daughter by the same name (different spelling however) and she will be 37 years old on Monday Sept. 10th. Do I sound like I'd be the right age to be Kaliegh McAfee? Good grief, get a grip.
I know who Kaleigh is because I have met her at the dairy a number of times. I would be surprised if most consumers had any idea.
I worked with Mark on a political campaign five years ago. I know all the people who were around back then.
It would be hilarious to learn that D.Smith is Kaleigh McAfee in disguise. It would explain a lot.
ROTFLMAO!!!
@ Amanda Rose: Oh for God's sake.
A low point in consumer information, indeed. There was a lot more going on between Sharon Palmer of Healthy Family Farms and James Stewart of Rawesome that violates the law than a mere "herd-share". But way to put a positive spin on it, Gumpert. Good luck, but I'm not holding my breath.
@ Kristen P: Well, if you think there was more to it, go to court against them and take your gripes directly to the source. Positive spin? Wow. Can you stretch yourself a little thinner on that Kristen? David wrote about herdshares because that seems to have been the focus of the whole thing, primarily, at least from the State's point.
D. Smith. Seriously?
Wow, and I thought raw milk was legal in California. Reminds me of when we were told they were going to legalize raw milk in Wisconsin. When I looked at the proposed law it was just more restrictions. It wasn't legalization at all.