If Rising Stress Levels the Mark of a Growing Movement, Then 2011 Was a Great Year for Food Rights

What is the mark of a vibrant movement?

For the food rights movement in 2011, at least, it seems to be the frequency of major disruptions, or what I would call "shock events." These include court decisions, government enforcement actions, and internal organizational moves.

Over the last year, we had any number of all of these.

On the legal side, there were major initial losses in Missouri, from Morningland Dairy, and Wisconsin. But they aren't over till they are over, and the cases are all on appeal. (Appeals were just filed in the last few weeks on the Wisconsin cases involving Wayne Craig and Mark Zinniker.)

Enforcement Actions. I'd say the most ominous event was the raid against Rawesome Food Club because the enforcers for the first time showed a willingness to press for felony charges against three involved individuals. A close second was the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's undercover investigation of Pennsylvania farmer Daniel Allgyer. This one showed the willingness of federal enforcers to snoop around private homes to intimidate them on their food choices. There was also the federal grand jury investigation of David Hochstetler, and Richard Hebron, in Indiana and Michigan...along with state actions against Vernon Hershberger in Wisconsin and Brigitte Ruthman in Massachusetts.

Michael Schmidt, shortly after ending his 37-day hunger strike, in early November. Civil disobedience. The big event was Michael Schmidt's 37-day hunger strike stretching out over late September and October. He finally succeeded in gaining an audience with Ontario's premier. Another big event was the formation of the Raw Milk Freedom Riders, and the organization of two "rides" by moms risking arrest to bring raw milk across state lines, followed up by protest demonstrations.

Standards setting. It's generally a positive sign when an industry grows to such an extent that participants begin thinking about cooperating so as to set safety and other standards. Sure, there was lots of disagreement, and a rocky launch, but the establishment of the Raw Milk Institute overall was a positive sign. Already, it's gone through a re-structuring, which Mark McAfee describes in a comment following the previous post.

Each of these disruptions creates much tension within the movement. The tension from events like the Rawesome raid and other enforcement actions are pretty obvious-they arouse fear and mistrust. Farmers especially wonder if they will be next. And now, consumers are fearful as well. This is what the authorities are attempting to accomplish.

What the authorities don't want to see is people responding with anger and organization. That is what we have begun to see. The more people who become angry and upset, the more they let others know about what is happening.

Perhaps the greatest amount of stress came from Michael Schmidt's hunger strike. People concerned about whether he might die divided over whether he should continue or give up. In the end, Michael Schmidt's hunger strike was a great educational effort, informing thousands of people who knew little or nothing about the ongoing food wars about the severe crackdown on food rights in Canada and the U.S.

But each of these stressors has the prospect of helping us educate more people as to the nature of the struggle we are facing. Michael Schmidt put it well last year, when he distinguished between the "breaking point" and the "tipping point."

"Government and bureaucrats deliberately use the breaking point as a tool to achieve what they want to achieve: complacency and fear. The lengthy legal procedures, the threats of fines and jail and the never-ending resources will drive you towards that breaking point unless you are committed to lose whatever you have and to risk your own security of comfort and conformity. Let me guess, 95% percent of the people might think they have no option, no choice to defend the truth, the rights and the principles of fundamental justice. That looks like bad news. However the tipping point in regards to massive change is not 50% or more what most think. NO the tipping point for change is in fact less than 10% of the population. If more than 5% start waking up and begin to realize that we have the power to change the current destruction of society IF we are willing to stand up and resist."

More about the lessons upcoming.

This is a repost of my last string comment.

Let me be the first to break this news to all. It is a new year and we have learned much in 2011.

It is our observation, that there are two camps ( at least ) in the raw milk movement. Those that appear to want legalized access to raw milk and change of laws, and those that want decriminalization of raw milk with no government regulation or intrusion what so ever.

It appears that the loudest voices amoung these two groups is the decriminalization group.

RAWMI is a grass roots organization and is responsive to all in the movement. Our primary objective is building access to safe raw milk. That means cows shares or legalized raw milk. Each location and state has its own local needs and political agenda.

RAWMI has taken steps to change its momentum and focus. We have focussed more on farmer training, standards and webinars and less on anything political.

Bill Anderson has resigned as a Director at RAWMI and has taken a position on the RAWMI Executive Advisory Counsel. His cheese making expertise is invaluable and we thank him for his service to RAWMI as a director.

RAWMI will now operate with a volunteer and part time staff and focus its financial resources on webinars, standards development and farmer training. It will be a slower course but a more methodical and sustainable course.

We look forward to serving the entire raw milk community....regardless of the camp they sit in. RAWMI has something for all farmers and all consumers. Access to safe raw milk is a universal need and must not be just for the well connected or those that can drive 40 miles to their farmer. However, RAWMI will only go where it is invited and wanted. We will use our resources to serve those that want to be served.

All the best,

Mark

This is a response to the last comment thread:

Thanks so much for all of your posts and hard work . . . Deborah . . .

I just want to let you know (and I think you know this already:) that as a farmer and concerned comsumer of Raw Milk . . . Mark McAfee has never, ever contacted me for my opinion on his RAWMI enterprise . . .even though I have posted here since 2006 or 7!

I agree with you . . . we need thousands of SMALL dairy farms providing clean, healthy and nourishing raw milk to consumers . . . and I don't think that RAWMI has this in mind . . .

All the best and Happy New Year to you Deb and all!

Violet

This one is for Gordon. Heres another family that seems to be a bit upset about the cow shit in the raw milk they purchased from the grocery store. http://www.myfoxspokane.com/news/kcpq-lawsuit-filed-against-cozy-valley-creamery-over-raw-milk-case-20120103,0,3885533.story

Mark, you didnt answer my question about the matching fingerprint of E.coli 0157:H7. Did they find it in the cow manure on your dairy?

David,

We don't need RAWMI standards . . . here is what has happened with the Organic Label . . . one of my customers sent me this link yesterday: . . . and he knows my practices and even though we are not CERTIFIED ORGANIC . . . he knows that he is getting organic produce and poultry . . .and he loves our lamb . . and .only four of my 30 ewes were wormed last year due to weekly FAMACHA checks . . . we are all about husbandry here on our farm . . . our animals are the most important assets of our farm and I do everything to make them happy and keep them healthy . . .they are only treated when needed. Mark and I will be doing husbandry classes in the near future . . .to help current and potential farmers understand the needs of livestock . . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/31/science/earth/questions-about-organic-produce-and-sustainability.html?_r=1&ref=elisabethrosenthal

Best,

Violet
www.kilbyridgefarmmaine.blogspot.com

Mary,

According to DPH information, none of the dairy herd manure samples tested positive for ecoli. The investigation continues.

Was the outbreak strain found in manure somewhere, Mark? In the non-milking herd? Did any of the milk herd test positive for an e coli strain that was not a match to the outbreak strain? How about the products? They seemed to be testing products for a while and must have had a suspicious sample. Did they find a pathogen of any kind in your products while under quarantine? Was the sixth suspected case ever tied in to the outbreak cluster?

States vary in their willingness to report outbreak findings. Minnesota and Colorado are very transparent; Washington in the middle; Wisconsin and California, traditionally very secretive until the final report; Tennessee and Alabama - they just report stats to CDC (no final report).

MW

Amanda,

No pathogens were found in any products or manure samples taken from dairy herd. As previuosly reported, some ecoli 0157h7 samples were found in the calf raising area. Additional information is unknown. DPH investigation continues.

It appears that Americas food supply is being criminalized by liability lawyers....while the American immune systems are being sterilized. The true criminals are the Monsantos and pharma companies of this country. As super bugs make us ill..... farmers feeding us with real fresh foods are brutalized by liability brought by the superbugs created by the FDA cronies. What a greedy, wall street convenient and very stupid system. What a tragedy for our children.

Perhaps consumers that drink raw milk should read and understand the warnings on raw milk products. There are risks to eating. There are risks to drinking raw milk....most importantly, there are risks to not drinking raw milk and suffering a weak immune system.

"Additional information is unknown. DPH investigation continues. "

That's typical California, wait until they release the information.

MW

Perhaps consumers that drink raw milk should read and understand the warnings on raw milk products. There are risks to eating. There are risks to drinking raw milk.

Mark, I couldnt agree with you more. Maybe the warning labels on the back of the OPDC bottles should be not be microscopic in size. Maybe they should sit front and center on the bottle along with a point of sale warning sign.

BTW, I love the new language you have added about lawsuits. I doubt it will hold up is you are sued again.

Mary,
I do not think you fully appreciate the benefits verses the potential risks of raw milk consumption. When a child no longer uses side effect filled drugs for their asthma and their teeth are no longer disolving from steroid use....then the potential risks of raw milk consumption are buried by the certain benefits.

You also do not appreciate the risks of food consumption in general. Raw milk is your pet project. You have been hurt by it and you are on a rampage to wreck raw milk. A balanced approach would respect the benefits and also....appreciate the immune compromise of the very very few and the slight risks that they may have to raw milk....as they go about trying to repair the ravages of the American diet and drug war on immune systems.

I also do not think you do understand that in the event of a lawsuit or other threat, OPDC and other raw milk sources, will simply have consumers sign Arbitration Agreements and join large buyers clubs to get access to raw milk at stores. This is something done already at stores for special group discounts and or treatment. Raw milk is not going away. It is going to get better and better inspite of your deliberate attempts to deny consumers access to this healing food.

If we do this....your buddy Bill Marler will be out of a job...unless he wants to get involved in Arbitration which will deny him access to his intoxifying insurance millions. We are tenacious and we serve our consumers. Nothing will stop us from getting better and growing...and nothing will stop us from serving our consumers.

(this is a re-post from last thread also, with an addendum)

Mark you say, referring to the two camps of raw milk advocates:

and those that want decriminalization of raw milk with no government regulation or intrusion what so ever.

What we want is decriminalization of raw milk with no government regulation or intrusion what so ever IN DIRECT FARMER TO CUSTOMER TRANSACTIONS. None of us is advocating getting rid of Claravales or OPDC or any other public raw milk dairy. Just no regs or interference in direct farmer to customer trade. A restoration of a million tiny totally unregulated farms providing raw milk to their communities. That has been normal human practice for millennia.

I dont know if you wrote that knowingly as a polemic or you really didnt understand our position, but that kind of statement tends to makes some of us wary. Youve got our email addresses. Please communicate with us.

Regarding RAWMI being grassroots, you might be coming from a different perspective than many of us. Didn't RAWMI's start up money (amount ??) come from OPDC which is a 75% venture capitalist owned corporation (even if the venture capitalists are your brothers)? This is just what I've heard, so please correct any of this.

Yours for real food freedom,

Deborah

the lawsuit in Washington state will be the watershed moment for the Campaign for REAL MILK... but don't count on it playing out in a court of law, before a jury

as I posted to Mr Marler, he's going to have a very hard time proving that the cause of the child's illness was the raw milk, since she'd been drinking it for several months prior, and thriving on it.

Ambulance-chasers and the vultures/ carrion eaters who infest the legal system do their best work out of public view ... settlements made behind closed doors, with strict non-disclosure terms.

as for a certain poster's obsession with copro-phagia = one of the other blind spots she has on this topic, is that "homo milk" has far more cowshit in it. just well-cooked. Along with the remains of all the pathogenic bacteria Before you open your stupid mouth again, Educate yourself, lady. go have a look at the filter in the milk-line on a CAFO dairy, see how the milkers just laugh at the stupidity of city-folks who drink what comes through
Have a look at the wording of Dr Beals' affidavit on my website : using the CDC's own figures, he proves that the risk of harm from drinking raw milk is 35, 000 times LESS than any other foodstuff.

Raw milk consumption is not going away, it has been consumed for eons and will continue so.

FDA is pushing for warning labels on sodas...do they really think anyone will heed them? It hasn't worked for cigarettes.

From the CDFA site; "In California, state law requires that raw milk and raw milk products shall bear the following warning on the label:
"Warning - raw (unpasteurized) milk and raw milk dairy products may contain disease-causing micro-organisms. Persons at highest risk of disease from these organisms include newborns and infants; the elderly; pregnant women; those taking corticosteroids, antibiotics or antacids; and those having chronic illnesses or other conditions that weaken their immunity."

That warning label takes up a lot of space.
I've no doubt that CDFA has a minimum requirement for label size. (Ca has a regulation for everything) I don't have a bottle here, yet I do not recall the warning label being "microscopic in size".

I wonder why the govt doesn't require a truthful warning label for vaccinations, "medications", lunch meats (I've never seen one on lunch meats), etc.

http://www.cornucopia.org/2012/01/wholesale-approval-of-genetically-engineered-foods-obama-administration-disappointsangers-public/

"Despite receiving nearly 45,000 public comments in opposition to this particular genetically engineered (GE) corn variety (and only 23 comments in favor), the Obama administration gave Monsanto the green light to release its newest GE corn variety freely into the environment and American food supply, without any governmental oversight or safety tracking."

$$$$ rules.....

Better get your immune system up to snuff... by drinking fresh organic milk....

Stealth Tactics of Bacteria Revealed:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228443.300-stealth-tactics-of-bacteria-revealed.html

Hey Mark,

Know you were a recipient of grants given by "Certified Humanely Raised" . . . Today I just got thier newsletter (they have been trying to get me certified for quite some time . . . but I have resisted . . . no interest in grants nor auditors . . . my customers are my auditors)

They are trying to get dairy farmers to go grass based and ditch the reliance on Holsteins and from what they say . . . Holsteins have a very short lactation life expectacy and are prone to lameness and mastitis . . . go Jersey, Brown Swiss, etc., is what they are advocating . . . wondering what you think about this since you have taken grant money in the past from them . . .

Best,

Violet
www.kilbyridgefarmmaine.blogspot.com

Husbandry is the key to small, clean local dairies and farms . . . e-mail me in private to hear some very real horror stories based on my own experience with local farming . . . and this is going back 10 years . . . even before we purchased our farm.

Know your farmer is a MUST . . . . because sometimes a small farmer may have an operation that is comparable to a CAFO or factory farm . . . but on a smaller scale. Unless it is inspected in person by educated consumers . . . . they may never know the true horrors of how those animals are raised. And those small farmers may very well be the downfall of the local food movement . . .if someone gets sick . . .

I don't want to say more . . . but trust me . . . I have seen some seriously bad husbandry over the last month . . . from local farms out there.

That is why I believe that husbandry is the key . . . and Mark and I are willing to teach.

Kind regards,

Violet
www.kilbyridgefarmmaine.blogspot.com

Mark and Gordon,

I find it interesting how you are both trying to pigeonhole me into a category that fits this movement. Everything is extreme ends. Either a person supports the legalization of raw milk or they dont or it is raw milk versus CAFO milk. It is possible that a person can believe that that CAFO milk is not healthy to drink and that raw milk should be legal to sell from the farm, but personally believe it is too big of a risk to drink? Is there a choice in the middle? What about buying raw milk from a good source and home pasteurizing it and then making kefir and yogurt from it? This is a healthy choice, full of good bacteria, without the risk.

Gordon, you really have a toxic spirit and need to get some help. I will pray for you.

Mary,

Raw milk can be done very, very well on a small scale . . . with breeds that are long lived and on grass/hay nearly 100% of the time . . .

Raw milk cannot be done well on a large scale . . . Mark seems to be always scrambling to make things better . . . and cull out so many of his herd that are sick every month. . . .

I think that that is where the battle lines are now to be drawn . . . Raw Milk at Mark's scale or Raw at a local Micro-Dairy scale where everyone can see how the milk is produced . . . and how healthy the cows are . . . and how serious the farmer is husbandry wise . . .

I think you need to find a really good micro-dairy Mary and then ask that farmer if you can hand milk a cow yourself and then drink that milk directly . . . I think you may then get over your fear and the fear you have for your son's health . . . . face it head on and then realize . . . it is really no big deal:)

Kind regards,

Violet
www.kilbyridgefarmmaine.blogspot.com

you go right ahead and pray to your god, MM, and I'll be conversing with mine. The God of Israel, namely Jesus Christ, is the one who promises us milk and honey as our heritage, right here in America, the Daughter of Zion.

if you can produce one single comment of everything posted over your name, on this forum, admitting that REAL MILK ought to be available to those of us who prefer it, I'd be surprised.
Your relentless self-centered pity party is a stone drag on the Campaign for REAL MILK .... When's the last time you so much as got your boots muddy in a real farm yard? Til you do, you have nothing to say to me. Educate you-self

Gordon,

Don't you ever get tired of making a jackass out of yourself???

Mary has made very good points and has every right to be here, and we have learned a lot from her comments.

Gordon, real Christians radiate Christ like behavior, compassion being at the top of the list. Walk the talk Gordon.

For the record Gordon, I believe people should have access to regulated raw milk from the farm. Im not in favor of unregulated herdshare programs and I dont believe raw milk should be sold in grocery stores.

Im actually supportive of the idea of National Raw Milk Standards, but RAWMI doesnt even mention pathogens. How can you teach farmers and consumers about producing safe raw milk without addressing the very reason you need safety standards?

If people are adequately informed of both the benefits and risks of consuming raw milk, it is only then that they are truly an informed customer. Here is a warning label that would spell out the risks:

Warning: Unpasteurized milk, also known as raw milk, is a raw agricultural product and may contain harmful bacteria (not limited to E.coli, Campylobacter, Listeria, and Salmonella) and can lead to serious injury and even death. Pregnant women, infants, children, the elderly, and persons with lowered resistance to disease (immune compromised) have higher risk for harm, which may include bloody diarrhea, vomiting, fever, dehydration, Hemolytic Uremic Syndrome, Guillian-Barre Syndrome, Reactive Arthritis, Irritable, Bowel Syndrome, miscarriage, or death.

I doubt Mark shares any of this information when he is traveling around California Sharing the Secret of raw milk.

Violet, if I lived on a farm and took care of my own animals, I would consider drinking raw milk. People who live on farms build immunity to pathogens.

Trying to push one's beliefs on another is not freedom, it is suppression of dissent, oppression by the tyrannical govt is not freedom either.

For you Mary it is simple, just don't consume raw milk, which you don't, end of story. I don't believe that fast foods should be sold, yet it is peoples choice to consume it. Some people believe certain religions are wrong, yet we are in a country that supposedly has a freedom to choose. What happened to live and let live?

Mary, your warning list would encase many many things, not just raw dairy, yet tptb don't require the population to be truly informed. Why is that?

I have a friend that still uses 2 forearm crutches as she contracted GBS from a lousy flu shot and that was over 9 yrs ago. If it harms one person it should be eliminated, right?

Mary.

Your proposed warning label is clearly a biased example of fear mongering designed to discourage people from drinking raw milk. It is based on a flawed perspective of cause and effect and therefore misleading.

My two grandchildren came from Ottawa with their parents to the farm during the holidays. The oldest child (Ava) who is two years of age had her fill of raw milk; the youngest child (Atticus) who is barely five month old had his first taste of food other then his mothers breast milk fresh home made yogurt.

My youngest boys had friends over for a couple of overnight stays to play hockey on the outside rink by the barn. They had raw milk on their oatmeal porridge in the morning and drank copious amounts of hot chocolate made with raw jersey milk.

Ken

Violet,

I would love to speak with you sometime. When you have a chance, please give me a call or an email.

www.mark@organicpastures.com or 559-846-9732.

Mark

Mary,

I would like to know why 65,000 people can drink the same raw milk for weeks and weeks and once in a while one kid can get sick when all the others do not?

That is worthy of research. There is something in the DNA or bacterial gut formation, gut tissue makeup... of that kid that is very different than the rest....wouldn't it be good to know what that difference is?

That would be well spent research money.

Mark

Mark, for every foodborne illness that is documented, there are another 40 out there that are not. In 2006, that means at least 240 people became ill from contaminated raw milk.
Also, it is amazing how the numbers of OPDC customers keeps rising, but the numbers of cows dont. In November, during the outbreak, the count was 60,000. Now you are up to 65,000.
In 2006 you had 300 cows and 30,000 customers. Now you have 400 cows and 65,000 customers. Hmmm.

Mary,

Can you please describe for us all what exactly a food borne illness is?

Those that understand how the immune system functions and how immunity is built have a far different definition of what a food borne illness is. It is certainly not diarrhea or a clash of good verses bad bacteria in your gut. The worst judge of food borne illness is the CDC or FDA. They classify pasteurizer failures in the raw milk category and place death from PMO regulated raw milk cheeses as raw milk illnesses.

What is your definition?

In my book....a case of diarrhea is a healthy purging of things that should not be inside of you and building immunity as your internal ecosystem sorts things out.

Pansy ass Americans....have been trained by the medical establishment to run to the doctor for everylittle thing. How convenient. How profitable. How Antibiotic.... How horrible for the American Immune system....no wonder we are dying like flies from autoimmune and immune failure and superbug dominance.

I do not buy into the 1-40 ratio of illness reporting. I was a paramedic and know the ignorance and irresponsibility of people. They take ambulances to the ER because they do not have cab fare, want a free meal and or a shower. I know what happens behind the Medical Wizard of OZ screen. It is really a scam and sickening.

When people take responsibility for their health and build strong immune systems and our government stands behind this personal responsibility with proper education, propoer food policy and sustainable preventative information....then I will start listening to our government. Until then....they are very much a big part of the problem.

Mark, only the severe cases of foodborne illness get diagnosed. Most people dont run to the doctor over diarrhea. Weve all experienced diarrhea. If it lasts a day or two, that is normal. Once you get beyond that, you can become dehydrated. Also, the frequency of diarrhea also has to be taken into consideration. If you have diarrhea and you are having 3 to 5 BMs a day that is far different than every 20 to 20 minutes.

I guess you are saying it is acceptable to poison people with your milk if they only get diarrhea. With a foodborne illness, people usually have diarrhea and vomiting. It is the bodys way of expelling the poison. No food should give you diarrhea or make you vomit. If it does, it means there was something wrong with it. With raw milk, that means cow shit was in it.

You didnt answer my question about your magic cows. How do 100 more cows double your production?

I received this in an email from the govt... A form letter that does not answer my questions tells me they didn't listen at all. So much for hope and change....

Food Safety and Raw Milk

By Doug McKalip, Senior Policy Advisor for Rural Affairs in the White House Domestic Policy Council

Thank you for signing a petition about legalizing raw milk and for participating in the We the People platform on WhiteHouse.gov. We appreciate consumer concerns on food issues and understand the importance of letting consumers make their own food choices.

This Administration believes that food safety policy should be based on science. In this case, we support pasteurization to protect the safety of the milk supply because the health risks associated with raw milk are well documented.

Pasteurization of milk was adopted decades ago as a basic public health measure to kill dangerous bacteria and largely eliminate the risk of getting sick from one of the most important staples of the American diet. In 1987, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a regulation prohibiting the interstate sale of raw milk to reduce the number of illnesses and outbreaks associated with its consumption.

In recent years, some Americans have rejected pasteurization in favor of raw (or unpasteurized) milk, citing a range of taste, nutritional, and health benefits they believe are associated with raw milk consumption, as well as a general preference for unprocessed food.

As a science-based regulatory agency, the FDA looks to the scientific literature for information on benefits and risks associated with raw milk. While the nutritional and health benefits of raw milk consumption have not been scientifically substantiated, the health risks are clear. Since 1987, there have been 143 reported outbreaks of illness some involving miscarriages, still births, kidney failure and deaths associated with consumption of raw milk and raw milk products that were contaminated with pathogenic bacteria such as Listeria, Campylobacter, Salmonella, and E. coli. The FDA's position on raw milk is in concert with the Center for Disease Control and the American Academy of Pediatricians.

The FDA does not regulate intrastate raw milk sales, or selling raw milk within a state, which is left up to the individual states. Today, 20 states explicitly prohibit the intrastate sale of raw milk in some form and 30 allow it. FDA bans interstate raw milk sales, or selling raw milk across state lines. The FDA has never taken, nor does it intend to take, enforcement action against an individual who purchases and transports raw milk across state lines solely for his or her own personal consumption.

Thank you for participating in this important process. We appreciate your opinions and look forward to hearing from you again soon.

Check out this response on We the People. https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/response/food-safety-and-raw-mil...

Sylvia,

Please respond to that regulatory robot and ask him to please provide any evidence of death from raw milk since 1973....there is none. My CDC FOIA says exactly that. I caught the CDC is a data scam and they know it.

He will state that it was raw cheese. Certainly not the same thing as raw milk. Cowards....

This type of denial of internationally peer reviewed ( PARSIFAL and GABRIELA ) and other published studies shows the shallow thought of the Robo Regulators. They have zero appreciation for science. No appreciation for the Human Genome project or immune status of Americans. No apreciation for the work that states have done to reduce the risk of illness from raw milk consumption.

They have no appreciation for data either. No appreciation for the mountain of illnesses caused by pasteurized milk and fake raw milkcheeses.... Miss classified and politically motivated abuse at the CDC is what this is.

My FOIA request exposed their lies entirely....they have death and illness on their hands and all they can do is spew out more spin. What really hurts me is that I pay this jerks payroll with my taxes.

Mary...

....Your fixation with "cow shit"...is fascinating. You love to type those words.

Not a 24 hour period can go by with out you typing those words.

Perhaps you can try and explain how 70 clusters of people in CA get sick from Ecoli 0157H7 infection each year and it is not from raw milk. It is not the cows manure....Mary. It is the very weakened immune systems of our citizens.

It is the terrain...not the bug.

Ecoli 0157H7 can be found nearly everywhere that you find life. It is in deer shot in the mountains....it is in your dog and on your skin. It is in your nose. It is whether your immune system sucks or not that matters more. Our hospitals are filled with people infected with ecoli 0157H7 and other pathogenic bacteria. They have found a welcome mat in the weak American....People that drink raw milk reject immune weakness entirely.

The road to immune hell is paved with paranoid sterility.

My 2 year old grand kids play in organic dirt and organic cow manure all day long....what a blessing. They are as healthy as they can be....and immune to everything. That is what raw milk drinkers are praying for in their children.

Mark

"That is worthy of research. There is something in the DNA or bacterial gut formation, gut tissue makeup... of that kid that is very different than the rest....wouldn't it be good to know what that difference is? "

Mark, in your marketing how would you use such research findings? There are already numerous studies showing that children, the elderly, and the immunocompromised are more susceptible to severe outcomes from infectious diseases. These studies are in the literature. Because raw milk is more likely than other foods to contain infectious diseases transmitted through ingestion, you must label your product with a warning. From your postings and youtube videos, it appears you ignore this warning when marketing your milk.

How would you do anything different if more research was done to further describe why children, the elderly, and immunocompromised people are more susceptible to infectious diseases? We already know this.

After raw milk advocates funded the Stanford study, and they found no association with lactose intolerance, you didn't change your message.

I agree with Mary. The research money is best spent figuring how to keep the fecal pathogens out of the raw milk for those who choose to consume it. It would be a waste of money and even unethical to try to devise a DNA test to figure out who is or isn't "fit" to consume raw milk..absurd.

MW

keep the "cow shit" out of the milk.... Don't most dairies used closed milking systems?

It's ok if the "cow shit" is pasteurized?

Mark, I tried to respond to the govt email and got a response that they get too many emails and are not able to answer...... need to up the campaign to inform people how the morons in office vote.....so they can be voted out.

Sylvia,

Studies show generally low levels of pathogens in milk including CAFO milk. No studies show an adverse effect of killing them with some heat. Do you eat everything raw? What's the big deal about heating foods? To not cook would rule out favorite dishes from Ethiopia to Spanish tapas to...why do you oppose cooking with heat?

MW

MW

Cooking has its place when it comes to enhancing flavor and texture to appease our palate, however we would all be a lot healthier if we ate all of our food raw. In short, when you cook your food, you're destroying nutrients and as a rule most foods become increasingly toxic the more you cook them, with milk being the primary example. Milk is the safest and most compatible food when consumed raw.

Ive fed premature infants raw milk with no ill effects and many of the people who purchased and consumed milk from me were elderly and did so because it improved their health. Children and the elderly are not vulnerable to illness because they are very young or old; they are vulnerable to illness because they are targeted for toxic manipulation by the medical profession and drug companies.

Ken

MW:"Studies show generally low levels of pathogens in milk including CAFO milk. No studies show an adverse effect of killing them with some heat."

So you are saying it is ok to give people "cow shit"?

" Do you eat everything raw? "

No and I don't eat everything cooked.

"What's the big deal about heating foods? "

I choose how I want my food prepared, don't you?

"...why do you oppose cooking with heat?"

Where did you get that idea from? No where did I even hint that I oppose cooking with heat. tsk tsk just like a govt entity trying to make something look like it's not...pitiful.

We had a wonderful rare prime rib for Christmas with all the sides-cooked and uncooked.

I agree completely with Ken, cooking does destroy nutrients in most foods, and the age of a person doesn't determine the vulnerably- it is the body's environment that is subjected to the assaults from the outer environment (not all inclusive) the water, air, as Ken stated "toxic manipulation by the medical profession and drug companies" and over processed foods- this is what harms the body and kills the immune system. Yet it is promoted by tptb.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/06/drug-resistant-salmonella-outbreak_n_1189182.html?1325865428&ref=food

"The FDA moved to stop raisers of livestock from administering a certain form of antibiotics to animals on Wednesday, in an effort to curb the spread of just this sort of drug-resistant bacteria. It now looks like they made that decision not a moment too soon."

They've known this for years and have done nothing for public safety....the decision has come too late. Follow the $$$$$

It's never going to end, is it..

Wholesale Approval of Genetically Engineered Foods Obama Administration Disappoints/Angers Public

Agent Orange Herbicide Ingredient Would be Widely Used

http://www.cornucopia.org/2012/01/wholesale-approval-of-genetically-engineered-foods-obama-administration-disappointsangers-public/

"Despite receiving nearly 45,000 public comments in opposition to this particular genetically engineered (GE) corn variety (and only 23 comments in favor), the Obama administration gave Monsanto the green light to release its newest GE corn variety freely into the environment and American food supply, without any governmental oversight or safety tracking."

Sooo, MW and Mary, what do you think about that link I just sent? Do you think it's safer to eat those GE foods than fresh milk??

Why do YOU think the alphabet agencies force these phoods on the American public (and make no mistake... they ARE forced, because they will be disassembled and reassembled into other foods so there will be no choice), if those agencies care SOOOO much about the public's health?

America is still suffering the after affects of Agent Orange (and other chemicals) from the Vietnam war and the use here stateside.

Perhaps those who have been saying the govt wanted population control haven't been blowing smoke....if you are going to eliminate people, you may as well profit off it.

Yes Mark. Cow shit is what raw milk illnesses are all about. I know people in the raw milk movement try to skirt the issue. Im waiting for you to talk about pathogens from cow shit on your RAWMI website.

Lets see. Cow shit gets in the milk. It makes people ill. Someone came up with the idea to heat the milk so that the bacteria from the cow shit would die. As a result, people stopped becoming ill from pathogenic bacteria in milk.

I know someone will say something about pasteurized milk making people ill. Yes, if there is a flaw in the pasteurization process (it wasnt heated correctly), the cow shit will make someone ill. If it gets contaminated after the pasteurization process, it will make someone ill. These are errors that are preventable and should never happen.

Also, you still didnt answer me about how 100 cows make enough milk for 30,000 people?

Goatmaid, just because there are GMO foods, doesnt mean it is OK to poison someone with pathogenic raw milk. Ive never understood this logic.

Mary

Ive worked in cow shit all of my life and I can assure you that it is definitely not what illness is all about.

Ken

Ken, you are right. There is always mastitis.

Contagious mastitis is sometimes referred to as Cow-to-Cow mastitis because it is generally spread from cow to cow. The primary habitat of bacteria causing contagious mastitis is on the udder and in teat lesions. These bacteria have poor survival in the environment when not associated with the skin or in the gland. Contagious mastitis is the type of mastitis in chronic or subclinical mastitis. The infection is transmitted by milk-contaminated fomites at milking, by a sponge used to wash the cow's teats, by the milker's hands, and by the milking machine. The major organisms causing contagious mastitis are Streptococcus agalactiae, Staphylococcus aureus, or Mycoplasma.

Environmental Mastitis is sometimes referred to as Environment-to-Cow mastitis. In this case the bacteria that cause the mastitis are found in the cow's environment. The incidence of environmental mastitis tends to increase as the incidence of contagious mastitis decreases. The primary habitat of bacteria causing environmental mastitis is in the environment (feces, soil, bedding, or water). It can occur during environmental contact of the teats at milking time or between milkings. The major organisms causing environmental mastitis include the coliforms, the environmental Streptococcal species, and Pseudomonas species, but other organisms found in the cow's environment can cause mastitis, too.

Contagious Agents Environmental Agents
Strep ag Strep uberis
Staph aureus Strep dysgalactiae
Mycoplasmas Coagulase-neg Staphs
ColiformsE coli, Klebsiella

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurization.

"Unlike sterilization, pasteurization is not intended to kill all micro-organisms in the food." "Milk pasteurization has been scientifically proven to be at least 90% effective in eliminating harmful bacteria in milk. "

Guess it's a crap shoot on consuming "pathogens". GMO, etc is NOT safer than drinking raw milk. It is a choice.

http://textbookofbacteriology.net/control_3.html

http://www.epa.gov/radiation/sources/food_irrad.html

http://www.dairytechinc.com/about-us.php